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Lukashenka knew about Putin's attack on Ukraine in 2020 – interview with Belarusian opposition leader

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Lukashenko sees that Russia will not win/Channel 24 collage

Belarus actually remains one of the parties participating in the war against Ukraine. After all, it is from the territory of Belarus that missiles fly to Ukraine, Russian military and equipment enter. The General Staff assesses the possibility of bringing Belarusian troops into Ukraine as high.

However, the Belarusians themselves do not want to fight. The founder of the first military brotherhood of Belarus and the first paramilitary organization “White Legion” Sergei Bulba spoke in an exclusive interview about why there is no need to worry about the Belarusian military, what will happen to the war in Ukraine and why Lukashenka is in no hurry to help Putin.

Not a single ground or land operation is terrible for Ukraine

Putin's attack on Ukraine came as no surprise to me. Of course, we tried to convince ourselves that all Putin is capable of is sending troops to pseudo-republics in the Donbass. We predicted something like this and thought that he was just having such “marriage games” with Biden, that he was scaring Biden in this way.

But three months before these events, we began to pull the Ukrainian leadership and the General Staff, and law enforcement agencies – so that in Ukraine they would allow us to form some kind of Belarusian liberation structure, which in the future could go to liberate Belarus.

But this activity was not well received, because Ukraine still hoped that there would be no complicity of Belarus in the event of a war, so our proposals were assessed rather poorly. Nevertheless, when events began to unfold like this and when planes, helicopters and missiles flew from the Belarusian side, the Ukrainians thought that we were right after all.

Lukashenko knew about Putin's attack on Ukraine in 2020, – an interview with a Belarusian oppositionist

Russia has no chance/Photo by Getty Images

I help as best I can. And for myself, I considered it necessary to know the picture completely, but sitting in a trench, you will not fully understand the picture. Therefore, literally two weeks before the start of the war, my friends from the volunteer fund drove along the old “zero”: from Mariupol, Krasnogorovka and all the way to Slavyansk.

Looking the peasant officers in the eyes, I remained completely inwardly calm. I remember 2014, when I arrived near Marinka, Mariupol, looked into the eyes of the military and understood that there was a complete loss of reference points, its coordinate system was destroyed, that is. he seems to be defending Ukraine, but in his eyes there is confusion and misunderstanding. And I always remember their words that we will all die here for Ukraine, and I said to them in a friendly way: “Stop, guys, if you all die for Ukraine, who will win for Ukraine?”

Lukashenko knew about Putin's attack on Ukraine in 2020, – an interview with a Belarusian oppositionist

Sergey Bulba

Founder of the first military brotherhood of Belarus and the first paramilitary organization “White Legion”

Now, having driven through the same region, I returned with an absolute sense of inner peace. Because I saw men who are very motivated, who know what they are doing and why. And I thought that Russia had no chance, even purely based on the morale and condition of the officers. Whatever Russia does, they have no chance. And now I am convinced that not a single ground and land operation is terrible for Ukraine, but what they do is scary – aviation and their missiles.

Formally, Belarus pretends to Putin that she is ready, but in fact she is not ready for anything

I myself am a former officer, and the officers who remained in Belarus tell me that there are no grounds to say that Belarus is ready to enter the war. Yes, the Belarusians seem to have been raised, and all the equipment from long-term storage has been restored. Formally, Belarus pretends to Putin that it is ready, but in reality it is not ready for anything. This is so obvious.

If the Belarusians were told to go and fight the Poles, Lithuanians, that is, those whom the Russian TV calls “geyropa”, then perhaps the Belarusians would find some kind of motivation. But no one has any motivation to fight with Ukraine.

I understand that the electorate supports Lukashenka and Russia – for them it is one and the same. If Lukashenka had not been a follower of Russian policy, then they would not have voted for him and Moscow would not have supported him. The only sponsor of terrorism in Belarus is Russia, which constantly recognizes elections and supports Lukashenka financially and by force.

I mean, the Belarusians just can’t fit on their heads why they should fight with Ukraine. We looked at opinion polls, and out of the third that supports Lukashenka and Russia in Belarus, only 3% are for participation in the war. And this is generally from the entire population of Belarus.

Belarusians have always lived in the Russian information space. And for many, 2014 was a sobering year. With all this propaganda that Ukraine is supposedly having its own civil war, Belarusians are not stupid to believe in it. People looked at the information, compared it and realized that if it were not for Russia, there would be no war in 2014. And many already then realized that Russia is not what it is trying to be.

Lukashenko knew about Putin's attack on Ukraine in 2020, – an interview with a Belarusian oppositionist

Russians always want to “save” someone , although it is not clear from whom/Photo by Getty Images

We in Belarus, however, that Russians tell that there are nice guys from pseudo-republics in the Donbass, and they are offended by bad “Benderites”, as they say. And they need to be punished and weaned offend. And this is inserted into the head of the Belarusians. But smart people understand everything perfectly and see that everything is completely different.

In 2007, my late friend Nikolai Berezov, who later died as part of Azov near Ilovaisk, and I compiled a report that Russia was going to fight with Ukraine. We then met with the Deputy Chairman of the Main Directorate of Affairs (State Administration of Affairs – Channel 24) and with the Deputy Chairman of the SBU. Then they both leafed through our report, and they say that everything seems to be written correctly, but this cannot be.

And after that I was very impressed, I stopped by my classmate, who had quit a long time ago and lived near Kharkov. And I tell Genka (a friend – channel 24) that the war will soon be, I asked which team he will play for. Genka, without hesitation, replied that he was Russian and would fight for Russia. The year 2014 came, we had 25 years since we received the rank of lieutenant, and this Genka came to the meeting and openly declared that he was a Banderite. He says that he has been living near Kharkov for 15 years and no one has said a crooked word to him that he is Russian or speaks Russian. Says: “Here some devils came to save me, but I don't need to be saved.”

Germany in 1939 and Russia in 2014 become very similar

Putin frankly has nothing to do. He stole everything he could, he subjugated everything he could, and now he is looking to do more of this. And this stolen property must be defended to the last Russian. And before they come to him and ask where did you get all this, then he'd better come up with some kind of “Novorossia”, “Starorosiya”, “Derorosiya” to keep the people busy.

I am surprised to see that Germany in 1939 and Russia in 2014 continue to become very similar. Even the Russian uniform is increasingly mimicking and becoming like the old SS uniform. Even externally they are similar, not to mention the internal content. After all, the Russians are sure that they are the only reasonable people on the planet, the only ones who know how to act correctly and must save everyone, it is not clear from whom and from what.

Lukashenko knew about the attack Putin to Ukraine in 2020, – an interview with a Belarusian oppositionist

Sergey Bulba

The founder of the first military brotherhood of Belarus and the first paramilitary organization “White Legion”

It is Russia who wants to imagine the ongoing processes as if there is a struggle of nationalisms. What is Russian nationalism, Ukrainian nationalism, Belarusian. But I came to the conclusion that there is no struggle of nationalisms, there are different lifestyles and the struggle for freedom.

In fact, only in Ukraine there is a change of power. Yes, it's noisy, but it happens and that's okay. This is what neither Belarus nor Russia lacks, where are these minerals, that Lukashenka, that Putin got to power and you can pull them out of there. And this is just not good.

I came to Ukraine in 2014, stayed here and have no regrets. Russia likes to claim that something is wrong in Ukraine, but Ukraine is alive and free. I am perfectly understood here in Belarusian. I moved to Lviv, and I speak Belarusian everywhere, everyone understands me and no one has any questions. On the contrary, sometimes they ask what region of Ukraine I am from. I don't see any nationalism here.

Lukashenko knew about Putin's attack on Ukraine in 2020, – interview with a Belarusian opposition leader

Belarusians don't understand why they should fight Ukrainians/Photo by Getty Images

Lukashenka carried out a complete cleansing of Belarus for Putin

Now a rather crappy moment has occurred for us – this is a quiet occupation of Belarus. Russia is characterized by the fact that it knows how to accept some concepts and implement them step by step. The Union Treaty between Russia and Belarus was signed under the late Yeltsin.

Our hero was then bought on the fact that the cunning nomenklatura Yeltsin promised Lukashenka that he was so young and smart, and to be his successor. Yeltsin did not say that he had said this to at least 20 more people. But our hero decided that he was so promising that he would get the Russian throne, and then he was ready to sign anything.

Then large-scale demonstrations began to take place in Minsk, because this project did not find support. And I return to the fact that Russia knows how to consistently break the will of the people step by step – with our own hands. In the same 1996, the police were part of the people. At the demonstrations, we could fight with them, and then go for a beer.

And over these 20 years, a separate caste has been brought up from the security forces, now it’s not just not part of the people, these are some kind of celestials who chase us and beat us, keep everyone in fear and have certain privileges for this. And they have no doubts that they are all doing the right thing.

It was very important for Russia to prevent a pronounced moment, so that today would be before the occupation, and tomorrow after. Then the people could take up the pitchfork. They tried to blur this moment so that it went completely unnoticed.

Plus, we had a serious purge. In 2020, the people are tired of this mockery called elections. Lukashenka won his first election, then the next. And since 2005, elections have been held according to one scenario – they just draw some numbers for him. In 2020, everyone is so tired of this, they are still interested in who voted for Lukashenka, but it turns out that every fifth, if not less, voted for him, so where do these 80% come from?

Then the people came out to protest as best they could, because of their upbringing – with flowers and hugs. Everyone hoped that even the security forces were tired of Lukashenka, and they could go over to the side of the people. But the security forces betrayed the people. If not for them, then in 2020 everything would be different. But they figured out who else would feed them like that and resolve such lawlessness when they can do anything.

After 2020, Lukashenka began mass jailing everyone who participated in these protests. They began to harshly put people in prison, for some kind of repost they could get four years in prison. So they fooled people. They imprisoned them for 15 days, and then gave them the opportunity to leave the country. If you didn’t get your bearings and didn’t leave, then they put you in jail for a longer time. They deliberately created hysteria – if you are released, you have to get out of the country. And in this way, about 300 thousand people left Belarus.

Lukashenko knew about Putin's attack on Ukraine in 2020, – interview with a Belarusian opposition leader

Sergey Bulba

Founder of the first military brotherhood of Belarus and the first paramilitary organization “Bely legion”

There are 4-5% of passionaries in any society, then in fact we have a cleansing of the entire passionary field of Belarus. Lukashenka carried out a complete cleansing for Putin.

In Belarus, they talked about adopting the algorithms of North Korea. I was very surprised, it seemed to me that in the 21st century in the center of Europe to build North Korea is not just savagery, but something unrealizable. Nevertheless, these passionaries were squeezed out of the country, and I thought that in fact they are building this North Korea with the Lukashenka dynasty, he has a whole brood of these sons.

Lukashenko knew about Putin's attack on Ukraine in 2020, – an interview with a Belarusian oppositionist

Lukashenko knew about Putin's plans to attack Ukraine for a long time/Photo by Getty Images

Russia is conducting its social experiments on us.They introduce something, if it happens in Belarus, they introduce it in Russia. Then I would like to warn the Russian jingoists who are happy that North Korea will be in Belarus. If it is in Belarus, you will have it too. And I would not want neither me nor my children to live in such a society.

Lukashenko knew about the attack on Ukraine since 2020

Lukashenko, that bastard, he knew about Putin's plans to attack Ukraine since 2020.At the same time, he did not say anything to anyone and continued to build up business. For Belarus, Ukraine is the second business partner after Russia. But this hypocritical comrade continued to smile, pump out money and did not inform anyone about the war.

He expected that the invincible Russian army would enter Ukraine, everyone would tremble, surrender, and Lukashenka would enter along with the Russians and something here pomaroderite. Some seaport that he had long dreamed of, he would take for himself or something.

And then it turned out that these Buryat tankers entered, and no one is happy to see them here, they don’t meet them with bread and salt, but, on the contrary, they beat them from different calibers. And who does not have a caliber, he runs with a pitchfork. And sobering comes, because it’s good to participate on the side of the clear favorite, then you can safely run in and ask: “who is against Volodya and me?” And when Volodya loses, you no longer want to admit that you are with him.

He is trashy (Lukashenko – Channel 24), but very intuitive. The peasant peasant has an intuition that is inaccessible to the intellectual. An intellectual will think, sort out options, and this one simply knows what to do with an animal mind.

Lukashenko knew about Putin's attack on Ukraine in 2020, – interview with a Belarusian oppositionist

Putin used all options to force Lukashenka to introduce troops to Ukraine/Photo by Getty Images

First, Lukashenka sees that Russia will not win. Secondly, he sees that his troops are not ready. Thirdly, he suspects that if he drives his troops to fight against Ukraine, then they will simply go over to fight on the side of Ukraine, and then they can still come to him. Therefore, I don’t know what should push him, Putin has already used all possible options.

Lukashenko in Belarus as a governor.He is given something to do, but, for example, what is happening in the military sphere, he is not trusted. With the beginning of these exercises, after which Russia sent troops to Ukraine, the Belarusian General Staff began to resent the fact that they did not know about it at all.

The Belarusian General Staff acted as extras or learned about everything from the press in general . The same with the sky – in Minsk, Lukashenko can still dispose of something, what and where he flies, and everything to the south is completely controlled by Russia. Belarusians are only as accomplices – they deliver shells and gasoline.

Lukashenko knew about Putin's attack on Ukraine in 2020, – an interview with a Belarusian oppositionist

Ukrainians and Belarusians understand each other without an interpreter, and the Russians do not have us/Photo by Getty Images

Russia keeps Lukashenka for so long only because he is the same scoop. He has the same algorithms in his head, he remained as Soviet as he was. At one time, when Moscow put him up, they expected that he would be one of the initiators of the restoration of the USSR. Therefore, there are no contradictions for him. He had long since handed over military counterintelligence to his neighbors. And those same ones cut out everything pro-Belarusian that was born there.

Now Lukashenko sees that it is very stupid to speak on the side of Russia. But I am careful that some group does not carry out a provocation and then tell Lukashenka that the Belarusians were shot by bad Bandera, so we must take revenge. I'm very wary of this moment.

If Belarus sends its troops, it will not affect the course of the war. Of all 45 thousand, there are more or less combat-ready – 15 thousand. For Ukraine, this is fearless and uncritical. Remember, when the Germans recruited the conquered peoples and began to force them to go along with them, then the term “captured Romanians” appeared. Now Belarusians will play this role. Because there is no motivation, no understanding of why this war is needed – not a single one. Even if they leave, I hope they give up at the first opportunity.

Lukashenko knew about Putin's attack on Ukraine in 2020, – an interview with a Belarusian oppositionist

Sergey Bulba

Founder of the first military brotherhood of Belarus and the first paramilitary organization “White Legion”

Now in Ukraine the future fate of not only Belarus, but the whole of Russia is being decided. Therefore, there is an extreme importance of the moment. For Belarusians, this is the same holy war as for Ukrainians. We all understand that if Russia wins, the Belarusians have no chance. And if Ukraine wins, although not even if, I am convinced that Ukraine wins, then my dream is a liberation campaign against Moscow, but necessarily through Minsk.

Moscow is a Ukrainian project, you once started it, you have to finish it

The fact that Russia says that we are triune – what is the conversation about? We understand each other without an interpreter, but they don't. They sculpt that Kievan Rus is the mother of Russian cities. And what do you have to do with this Russia? None.

In my opinion, Putin is behaving now in such a way that Berlin will move to Moscow in 1945, I don’t know what year: in 2022 or 2023. I'll put in a phrase that Moscow is a Ukrainian project, you once started it, it's up to you to finish it. We remember that Grand Duke Olgerd once went to Moscow, but did not destroy it, they simply paid him off then. And we often remember him with a bad word.

Putin and Lukashenko have ruined the life of a whole generation. People come to implement their projects, but all these projects have been canceled, because some two creatures are playing the Soviet Union. Nobody needs him. I would like them to leave.

I even hope for ours more than for the Russians. It seems to me that Russia can only sober up under the blow of something external. Once upon a time, everything was legal with Hitler, and many people supported him, and when the war ended and they got hit on the head, they began to say that they did not follow orders, they did not agree with Hitler.

The same with the Russians – there, 70% support what Putin is doing, they are proud of him. And when something external comes, we will hear from them that they were not really for Putin. But I hope for Belarus. I hope she can clear herself. And I hope that Ukraine will help free Belarus from Russia.

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